Aussie Teachers’ Online Revelations: 'These Kids Are Instant Red Flags' - Mouths of Mums

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Australian teachers have taken to an online forum to confess the ‘red flags’ that signal a student might be hard work before they’ve even said a word.

From certain hairstyles and particular names to clothing choices and even the type of backpack slung over a student’s shoulder, teachers admit they often clock small details that make them quietly brace themselves for the term ahead.

Dozens of educators took to an Australian teachers’ forum, using it as a confessional to reveal how they judge students based on the way they look, what their name is or even what stationery they bring to class.

The thread was started by a teacher who asked: “Other than a rat’s tail, what is your ‘this student will be painful’ red flag? For me, it’s a Nike bag.”

What followed was teachers detailing sometimes oddly specific reasons some students are immediate red flags.

What’s in a name?

According to the teachers in the forum, certain names lend themselves to students who misbehave or don’t do their work.

“First name ends in den. Or completely misspelled name,” one teacher wrote.

“Any boy’s name starting with J,” added another.

One teacher unleashing on students with very specific names: “For me it’s the C names, Chase, Cooper. As well as the names like Archer, Ryder and Kobe. Haven’t met a nice kid with these names all rude and think they’re untouchable.”

“For girls, basically any hyphenated name means you’ll have a nightmare.”

“Any name with an X in it.”

“Name starts with Jay, Jai, Jae, or Jye or ends in din, don, den, dyn tin, ten, ton, tyn, lin, len, lyn, or lon.”

“Name is sort of off-beat but is also mis-pelled (Pheonix) or miss-pronounced (Pee-ho-bee rather than Phoebe).”

“Yet to meet a single Jayden (or variant) who wasn’t an unmedicated ADHD type with anti-social behaviours.”

Judging a book by its cover

Teachers said they’re also able to pinpoint just how a student will behave based on what they wear and their hairstyle.

“Mullet. Nike TNs. Shorts as long as boy leg undies as school shorts (girls). No uniform first week of school.”

“Hat exemption. Needs to wear a hat. Parent made that much of a fuss the school allowed it.”

“Boys dressed in all black gym gear ALL THE TIME.”

“False eyelashes which blink excessively when you ask for groups to be formed.”

“Boys with mullets or earrings. Especially in just one ear. I’ve got two like this in Year 1.”

“Fake lashes, press on nails, chewing gum. This is year 6 from my experience. Or the school shirt is ridiculously long over their tiny bike shorts that you don’t even know they have shorts on.”

“For boys, the diamanté studs. Added points if he is trying to grow a moustache.”

“A red head with box dye black hair. I try and give them the benefit of the doubt and they always reveal themselves.”

“Girls who roll their winter skirts up so I can literally see their butt.”

Niche niggles

There were also some very niche ‘red flag’ indicators that triggered teachers in the forum.

“If they own an ebike. Specially one that has the conversion kit on it.”

“Boys- lean back on their chair the minute they sit down. Girls- group of 5-7 friends that have to sit with each other in class (you just know that group hates at least one of its members).”

“When a teacher starts their description of the student with some variation of “they’re actually really smart but …” Not only will they probably disrupt. But they are also almost certainly v manipulative.”

“Students who try and drag furniture around as soon as they walk into the classroom to sit with friends.”

“The red flag students are usually the ones that bring that same one notebook to every class, and no pencil case or folder for handouts.”

“Boys who come to class with a laptop and if you’re lucky a pen in their sock.”

“Any kid who says “I’ll work on the family farm”. No ambition and/or the family doesn’t value education.”

But there were a couple of teachers who responded with concern at the nature of the online discussion.

One educator wrote, “Look…. I get all of this. But aren’t we as professionals supposed to give each student a blank slate? I’ve been told numerous times about students in my class being horrible and to ‘be careful/strict’ with particular students, and in some cases it intimidated me. My experience with these kids has then been vastly different and I’ve had really good experiences with them. Shouldn’t every child be given an opportunity? Not just written off because of a hair cut, or a name, or a pair of shoes? Come on.”

What are you thoughts on all of this? Share your opinion in the comments below.

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  • This seems a bit ridiculous to me. Makes me wonder if the comments were serious or tongue in cheek. You seriously can’t condemn a child because of their haircut or their name or brand of backpack. Surely it’s not a serious discussion!? If it is, I have no words, I’m at a loss

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  • I don’t love knowing that teachers will make snap judgements on kids depending on what their names start or end in. I think that’s pretty ridiculous. I can understand wanting to vent, maybe seeing patterns and making connections, but it just doesn’t sit right with it being about kids. Using the term red flags for kids is weird.

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  • I know many teachers, and can definitely relate! I know theres verysin names they wont use because theyre the “naughty” kids names. My 2 kids have quite common names, and surprisingly they are the only ones in their class and grade with their names.. I agree with the mullets, but I also thought boy’s with spider webs or lightning bolts in their hair were feral but my son now likes these haircuts and hes definitely not feral haha.

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  • We all have snap judgments, its human. Perhaps these should not have been vocalised or written so openly. And of course will receive backlash from people who it triggers. But they also see hundreds of children everyday and so these boxs get ticked when you’re in that position. Adults do it all the time to others , this is no different. So long as the students are not being treated differently

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  • A lot of judgement here by teachers!! I would hate to be on the receiving end of that judgement let alone a child. It could really make or break a child’s spirit should they ever find this out – and it isnt going to go down well. I cant imagine as a parent how I’d feel.

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  • While a teacher may have had a bad experience with a child of a certain name, the article almost lends itself to labelling every child ever named that same name as a nightmare. It’s not a good idea to have a preconceived opinion about a child based on their name, which they have no control over.

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  • Along with my comments below; online forums for particular groups are clearly never really private and when there is written content and views it can indeed be shared and discussed. There are other ways for people in all professions to receive support if they feel overwhelmed and need support and strategies for managing with their profession. Children deserve a blank slate and teachers deserve support if required with their important roles.

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  • I think it’s quite sad when teachers really carry these opinions. The only statement in this article that I find somewhat positive is that what the last educator wrote at the end. As professionals they should give each student a blank slate. And after a bad day a blank slate should be given again the next day. Also all behaviour is communication; we as parents and teachers alike should try to do everything to understand them and make them feel heard and appreciated.

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  • I do agree that in theory each kid should have a blank slate, but… we all make snap judgements. And although I don’t think it’s great to do that on the basis of a name, I can totally understand why some of those behaviours trigger a reaction from teachers. I too would see them as a trouble signal.

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  • I mean….. they have a point lol We have all not liked a name because we knew someone with it lol.
    Although I would hate for my child to be judged based on their past experiences with other students. Every child is different and should be treated as such. Keep the opinions and biased thoughts provate

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  • I have seen a lot of different opinions from teachers and agree with the final comment that as educators every child should be given a blank slate at the start. When we place these negative opinions on kids we then place lower expectations on the student and in turn provide them with less opportunities than others. Best to give high expectations and high opportunities from the start.

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  • Obviously, this is coming from America as it refers to clothing choices, and all I can say is I hope they don’t pre-judge these kids based on the cliches they’ve formed. It mentions hyphenated names too- I’m Sarah-Jane and I can tell you I was a goody two shoes, scared to step out of line.

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  • The 5 to 7 grouping of girls is funny but do true! I never understood why no one ever said anything to the one who everyone hates…

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  • I have a daughter, a step daughter and a sister in law that are all teachers and I work with special needs children. I hear what the teachers in this article are saying but I also agree with the last teacher. I have also been warned about students and found that they are a delight for me and become my most favorite ones to be with.

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  • Wow what did I just read.. how do you justify judging a book by its cover as a teacher. Basing the behaviour of a child on their name seems very unfair. The comment on Jayden and its link to ADHD is terrible. This person shouldnt be in the education sector!

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  • Wow what did I just read…. how can you judge a book by its cover as a teacher

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  • Wow! Now I’ve heard it all. This is disgraceful. I can understand that people might “think” these things but honestly, as teachers who are meant to protect our kids, you just don’t say this sort of stuff and put it on a forum like that. Like the saying goes, “don’t judge a book by its cover”.

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  • Firstly, people who are accusing the teachers of ‘saying their comments out loud’, etc. This was discussions on a forum for teachers. The person who took these discussions and decided to spread the word is the person at fault here. Teachers have an extremely hard job. If you think one of your children is hard to handle, try looking after up to 30 of them, let alone trying to teach them! Surely no-one alive in today’s society is totally oblivious to how ‘bad’ some of these children are? Depending upon the social-economic area where the school is located, teacher’s may have anything from just a ‘couple’ of hard to manage students to over 50% of their class having extreme behaviour issues. As the students get older, the consequences of such behaviour can be physical harm, and no just psychological harm, on other students and teachers. (No, I’m not a teacher. I’m a parent who has tried to raise 4 children to become wonderful adults despite some of the very poor examples out there that they have had to tolerate while growing up and at school.) This forum sounds like it was a forum where teachers could relieve their frustrations by using words and humour. I would like to know of a profession where nothing at all like this ever happens so that employees can smile and get by. No water-cooler discussions? No chats in the lunchrooms, bathrooms, or meeting rooms? No destressing over a coffee with colleagues? I have read this whole article and was I upset by it? No, because it is what it is – people using a forum to express their thoughts, destress, and to try and see the funny side to what they do. To those crying ‘stereotyping’: even the writer of the article noted that the ‘red flags’ being described by the teachers were signals that a student MIGHT be a difficult student. Name another profession where workers aren’t expected to ‘know their audience’? Even diagnosing medical issues relies on stereotyping to a degree. It has to. I know I wouldn’t want to be a woman sent to the operating theatre to have a prostate removed. Why is it wrong for teachers to express what they have noticed that may indicate what a student will be like and how best to teach them and incorporate them into the classroom so that they, and other students, can have the best learning experience possible? Is it possible that the only people who are up in arms over what was aired on this forum are the people who feel insulted because either they themselves, or someone they know, fits the so-called ‘stereotypes’ talked about in the forum to a T?

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  • Believe these teachers need a different profession.

    Jesus, John the Apostle and John the Baptist as well as my husband John and many many more start with J .

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  • I actually find it rather sad that the content about names and students is in an online forum. Possibly it is time for some people to find another profession. I dislike stereotypes and profiling in all areas and every person deserves to be given opportunities to shine and show their strengths.

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