at least they get that chance

Losing a child is heart breaking and having to live with the uncertainty of looming death is even worse.

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It is so sad for their families, I can’t imagine their pain.

I have my views on the situation and I know many are on my side of the fence, while there is a whole group on the other side of the fence. However that is not the topic of today.
I really do feel for the family as having to say goodbye to your grandson, son, brother etc is not easy at all. I do feel that these families get a chance to say goodbye to their sons/brothers and treasure what time they do have and say what they want and need to say before the time comes
Many of us on the other hand (me included) have lost sons/brothers and not been able to say goodbye. Not been able to treasure those final moments and be able to say one last thing, clear the air of any drama, or tell them how much you love them and how much they mean before they die. I wish I just had one chance to tell my brother how much I loved him and to say I was proud of him and to appreciate that last cuddle. I was very appreciative of the time I had with my brother and never took any time for granted and I was lucky we have some great memories before he passed. But as I marry and have children and watch them grow, it breaks my heart to not have him here. To see my sister in law give birth to a beautiful baby who I adore, yet is not my brothers baby breaks my heart. ( I sit here now typing through tears)
I have had many loses in my life, some that were unexpected and quick and others where they were diagnosed with an illness and we had time to say goodbye. Both are difficult.
The quick and unexpected – not having a chance to say goodbye
The diagnosis and eventual passing – grieving as you know you will lose them and grieving again when they go.
Death is horrible in any form. And I do really feel for these families, however I also feel for the families of those who have been affected by drugs and have lots their brother/sons to suicide, overdoses or other drug related deaths.

It breaks my heart to think about what all of them are going through….Whilst I don’t condone the crime, I think that to wait 10 years and watch them rehabilitate and help others before shooting them is barbaric and cruel. Their sentence should be altered to even life behind bars after waiting 10 years. Murderers get away with lighter sentences. The whole family have suffered and continue to suffer and their sentences are for the rest of their lives……

Sometimes I wonder what’s harder, having the chance to say goodbye and doing that and not having the chance at all.

Praying for all involved in this, as there is no winners there is only heart broken families.

Drugs became a product of civilisation and how scholors view it based on their study. It seems that democracy also impact society in bad ways when their is no other alternative because of what they called, ” law”
Saving lives is the ultimate goal for any human and especially those who pronounced leaders. As Christians believes that forgiveness always allow life over dead as the master gave his life to save us all regardless of who we are and what we believe. The one word that sum us all is “HUMAN” and that differentiate us from all other living organisms.
If anything we want to leave in our legacy, the question need to asked, ” How many lives have we saved and how many we have destroyed?”
At the end, we all died somehow but who we are to judge our brothers and sisters of what they do and believe? Hope Indonesian President will reflect and remembered by his children and families as a saviour of lives and a creator of peace. NOT a destroyer of human souls.

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  • • hopefullyheidi replied
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  I like another MoM member am not going to give my personal opinion on the matter, as I believe it has created a lot of vitriol with the division of for and against in Australia. I agree with MOM 94378, in that I can’t imagine not having the chance or having the chance to say goodbye- both would be gut wrenching. MOM 127889 I believe a great leader leads by example. The Indonesian president has offered monumental amounts of money to get Indonesian prisoners around the world off death row for similar offences. I don’t know if he will be remember as the destroyer of souls, but I think that people will certainly question his double standards and not just because of these current executions.

I understand a lot of people are saying “commit the crime, do the time” & that they knew what they were getting themselves into. Did they though? Didn’t we all think that we were invincible at age 19, do you really think at that age that they could have fully comprehended what they were getting themselves into? I totally agree that drugs are killing more & more young people everyday & that more needs to be done to warn our children against the dangers of drugs. But the lengths that this two young men have gone to to rehabilitate themselves & to help alot of other young people better their lives, I truly feel that the barbaric way in which their lives are about to end doesn’t quite fit the crime. Perhaps I’m just talking as a mum who could not imagine what their families & friends are feeling right now.

According to the news report by AFP earlier this morning for which foreign minister Ms. Bishop was offering Indonesian government a prisoner swap deal, wish the deal succeed.
It seems that is the final try, if not and may be one more chance, Mr. Abbott and Ms. Bishop can try to contact president Xi and Putin seeking possibility if they would like to be the mediator of the presoner swap may help to succeed this deal.
Don’t expect the Indonesian government will value the lives of their nationals leading to have this swap done.

My heart bleeds for these families. Yes they committed a crime but I don’t believe in the death penalty. Its barbaric. No one as the right to take a life. I hope and pray that something can be done to stop this.

Mannie, our hearts are bleeding as we go through the day and trying to feel the pain endured by these young men,parents , friends and siblings. People become better citizens, through education and experience in their lives. These young men have proved to the world that they can make a change for themselves and those that are in need. These are the perfect examples to use to educate others.Executing them is a loss to the parents , families and friends but more importantly to a country like Trigger Indonesia if they are maintains that drugs is a problem. These men can be used to educate the drug users. Unfortunately Trigger Indonseia has showcased to the world that it’s not about drug curbing or rule of law but exercising their powers in inappropriate situations with two defenceless, helpless individuals that have made a terrible mistake but now fully reformed.Australian government and the AFP will have to do everything they possible can as this is part and particle of Australian Government in the light of theAFP failing to protect it’s cutizens.AFP should be taken to criminal court and sued for their role played that now U.S. claiming the lives of two Australians. Goodbye my Dear friends and families that are grieving.I hope the Loard will intervene to Chanew the mind of this heartless, cold blooded man who is giving the orders to pull the trigger, Mr President Widodo. We she’ll never visit your country. We she’ll ensure all aids and trade are shelved until you stop this heartless stance.

These men were babies that were held in their mothers arms and as a mother it is unimaginable to think of your child being executed. Indeed; they committed a crime and they are prepared to do the time for their crime. Indonesia lobbies for their own people to be set free and to not be executed in other countries; however they show no mercy to foreigners in their country. The arguments do not make sense and smack of hypocrisy. I pray for these families at this traumatic time.

praying for their families during this tough time

You do the crime you do the time. I have no sympathy for them at all. At least these parents get to spend time with their sons & get to say goodbye. What abt the kids that are hooked on the drugs & die from them. Their parents don\’t get to say goodbye. My sympathies go out to their parents…not the drug smugglers\’. Stop wasting our time, money, effort on these criminals. Quite frankly I\’m Sick of hearing abt them.

They did wrong but they are not born as a bad children. Their situation make them to grown up like that. Now they realized their life going to end soon. Who is responsible for that. Not only their fault but also both governments. If they caught up with the tip by the federal police of Australia. They should be hand over them to Australia. What is the president of Indonesia going to show off to the world? They are not carrying the drugs from Australia to Bali. They are trying to bring the drugs from Bali to Australia. The people from the world going to bali for that. President ruling and grown up his country and his people like that. He can’t control their people but punishing other nationalities? Is he showing to the world to do the right thing? There are lot of good way of punishment. He doesn’t know because he still in the 16 th century. Help from Australia not only for their home, cloth or study on that time of Sunami. Our help for their living souls who are affected form natural disaster. They can not understand. They will suffer in their next life. Karma can change by good heart and mind people or president who have that.

Much love, blessings and prayers go out to these families and their sons. Though it is tempting, I won’t make this a rant against Bali, though I would have plenty of things to say to its president, however, he is hardly worth even a little of my time and energy, so I shall just conclude this: Your blind pride and ego will be the ultimate weapon and blood shed that shall stain your hands regarding these two men’s lives and deaths, and you are ultimately responsible. Karma works in mysterious ways, Mr. Widodo, would be my final comment, if any, to Bali’s president.
However, I wish to make this more about the families involved and how I can only empathize just so much. What strength and courage they must have to endure such a horrendous predicament. Please know, you are loved. We care. We’ve listened and heard. And we shall continue to pray for a miracle through out this horrific period. Bless you all.

I won’t offer my personal opinion about the crimes that these two australians committed, everyone has there own view on right and wrong. I do understand that this is most difficult to have to say goodbye in such horrible circumstances. I do agree with one of the other ladies that commented before. At least they do get the chance to say goodbye and tell their sons, brothers and friends that they love them one last time. Some people are never given that option when tragic unexpected deaths of family members occur in everyday life. From this I take away the thought process of always tell your loved ones you love them every day, every time they part ways with you be it to go to work, duck down to the shops or go to school. There is so many ways in which a loved one can be taken from us some we are aware of and can try to prepare for and others are uncertain and nothing can prepare us for that.

A parents worst nightmare to loose their child.